Signs of Cyberbullying | Ep. 168

Signs of Cyberbullying | Ep. 168

Spotting Cyberbullying and Offering Support: A Guide for Caring Adults

The world of cyberbullying is complex and often its results are beyond our control. As caring adults, it is crucial to learn to recognize when a teen is affected and offer meaningful support.

The digital age has brought unique challenges, and cyberbullying can often go unnoticed, leaving teens feeling isolated and vulnerable. We’ll be breaking down key signs of cyberbullying, sharing insights into what teens may be experiencing, and equipping you with compassionate, effective steps to help.

Whether you’re a parent, teacher, or mentor, this episode is packed with practical guidance for supporting teens as they navigate their online interactions safely.

Key Question

How can I recognize and manage cyberbullying?

 

What We Cover

00:00 Understanding Cyber Bullying
07:03 Recognizing Signs of Cyber Bullying
11:53 Addressing Cyber Bullying in Schools
17:55 Creating Safe Spaces for Discussion

 

How to Recognize Cyberbullying

Cyberbullying can take many forms, from overt harassment to more subtle but damaging interactions.

Here are some indicators that a teen might be experiencing it:

Behavioral Changes

Withdrawal from social activities, mood swings, a sudden drop in grades, and avoidance of things they once enjoyed can all be signs.

Physical Signs

Changes in sleeping or eating patterns, self-harm, or physical signs of stress.

Preoccupation with Online Presence

If a teen is overly focused on their online interactions or deletes their social media accounts, it could be due to bullying.

Evidence of Hurtful Interactions

Watch for hurtful or threatening messages, or if you notice an anonymous account targeting your teen or their peers.

What Can We Do to Help?

 

Create a Safe Space

Foster open communication by making it clear that there is no judgment and that they are supported.

Stay Calm and Listen

Resist the urge to jump into immediate action; instead, allow the teen to express their feelings and concerns.

Document the Bullying

Encourage saving screenshots, messages, and any other evidence of the bullying.

Involve Trusted Adults

Reach out to school administrators if it involves classmates or school activities, and consider involving law enforcement if there are threats, stalking, or illegal behavior.

Encourage Empathy

Discuss the impact of online interactions and encourage them to think about how words and actions affect others.

Perspective Shift

Cyberbullying is especially difficult for teens, as it can feel both embarrassing and deeply personal. They may not reach out for help because of fear or shame.

Being proactive can make a huge difference because waiting for them to come forward may mean waiting too long.

TL Tips & Takeaways:

Encourage blocking and reporting

Help teens feel empowered by encouraging them to block and report bullying accounts.

Set Boundaries (and Model Them)

Show that setting boundaries is healthy, and model this behavior in your own online interactions.

Validate Their Feelings

If a teen does open up about their experience, validate their feelings and, if needed, connect them with counselors or other trusted adults.

Tune in to gain practical insights and tools to help the teens in your life navigate and overcome the challenges of cyberbullying. If you find this episode helpful, don’t forget to subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Have a question or a topic you’d love to hear about? Reach out on social media or email us at podcast@teenlife.ngo.

Read Episode Transcript

Tobin (00:06)
How can I recognize and manage cyberbullying? And man, that’s a, that is a question. Welcome back to the Teen Life Podcast. My name is Tobin and I’m here once again with Caleb and Carly. And guys, that’s, that’s kind of a heavy lifter today. I feel like I’m always the one that has to read those questions, the heavy ones. So, full disclosure, cyberbullying is, a very broad subject and it’s something that I think

Caleb Hatchett (00:26)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (00:30)
We do that on purpose, Tobin.

Caleb Hatchett (00:31)
Yeah.

Tobin (00:41)
has been overplayed and underplayed and not recognized and over recognized. And when you hear the word cyber bullying, it probably it probably stirs a certain reaction every in every one of you. And so just know that we’re we’re kind of coming at this in a more broad sense today. And obviously, we don’t have the answers to everything. But in this can be a lot of things also like I can’t speak for Caleb and probably call her a little bit, but I’m I am too old for cyberbullying. I don’t even really

Like there wasn’t really internet whenever I was a teenager. so, this is, this is something that I did not experience as a teenager. So, first and foremost, let’s talk about ways that we can recognize it. And the thing that you might recognize in your team is, is behavioral changes like withdrawal, mood swings, declining grades, avoidance of things that they used to do. Like if, you know, if they’re involved in something that all of sudden they all, they don’t want to go, that’s a pretty clear cut sign that they’ve.

experienced some sort of bullying or more specifically cyber bullying. Physical signs of changes, like physical signs like changes in eating, sleeping, self-harm. I would even go as far to say like the way they dress and like in changing the way they dress because of either they’re trying to hide something or trying to fit in more into something that’s not their personality. Excessive concern over their online presence. That is a huge one right now.

Everywhere they go, do they have to have a picture? Do they have to have an Instagram moment? Do they have to take 20 poses of pictures? You know, at restaurants when we’re going to the cheesecake factory, stuff like that. so, the other thing is, they deleting accounts? Are they deleting social media accounts? they, are they running? I want to say running away, but are they, are they quickly leaving a situation where they’re not doing a social media account anymore?

And then if you, the obvious ones, if you see hurtful or threatening messages, or you notice like anonymous accounts that have posts about your team, like that’s a, that’s a pretty big red flag. So those are some quick lists of things, ways to recognize it. Carly and Caleb, what do y’all have to add to that? Or like maybe some like, like dive deeper on one of those.

Karlie Duke (02:55)
One thing I would add too, if a teen is on a phone and you come up and not even like trying to sneak, but just are around them and they hide it quickly or they start acting really weird about it. in the last episode, we talked about red flags, like just keeping aware of some red flags and asking more questions if that happens, because if they’re not wanting you to see their phone or they’re jumpy or like there’s probably something that they’re reading.

Either they’re doing something they’re not supposed to, or they have a fear that’s attached with that device because they’re seeing something that worries them or that is hurting their feelings, stuff like that. And a lot of times, especially if you’re at school, eventually this kind of stuff gets around, especially if it’s coming from a more public account and it’s not just one-on-one, you’re gonna hear rumors, you’re gonna hear people talking about it. So just keep your ears open for that stuff.

because teens aren’t super great at keeping secrets long-term. They just aren’t. A lot of times it’s gonna come out.

Caleb Hatchett (04:01)
I mean, I don’t know. Like you said, though, it’s so broad of a thing that it’s, it’s, it’s really hard to, to define, to even nail down. Cause I mean, nowadays you have so many, like Carly even said, like these anonymous, accounts, things like that schools will have, you know, their bar stool accounts where they’ll post memes, things like that of like people on the team and whether it’s like,

you know, in good-hearted fun, or they make fun of thousands. Like if it affects your team in a way, right. Then, then at that point, right. It’s, it’s something that needs to be on your radar and that you need to know about, but it’s, I don’t know. It’s so hard because a lot of it is, you know, if bullying, you can place a name and a face, whereas all of the way that these accounts and people are anonymous, it’s really hard to place and nail down.

Karlie Duke (04:50)
Right. And I think for our teens today, it’s not when I think cyber-bullying, I think someone like messaging, threatening messages or saying mean things over text or DM. And that also can happen. But I think the way that we’re seeing it more and more with our students is like Caleb said, anonymous accounts who post memes and pictures that are embarrassing of people. When I was in high school, there were Facebook pages, which probably isn’t a thing anymore, but there are Facebook pages,

Caleb Hatchett (04:58)
Mm-hmm.

Karlie Duke (05:20)
created called I hate this person and everyone would get on there and post teens are a little smarter now and they know that can if their name is attached that can easily be screenshot and taken to school and they can get in trouble for it and so that’s where anonymous things Caleb you might know better but I know YikYak is still a thing that is anonymous

Caleb Hatchett (05:41)
Hmm. YikYak kids. Some students are just like opening themselves up to it of like, you know, Instagram story, things like that of like.

Even when I was in high school, there’s big thing was like ask FM and it was like, you could set this up, and then people would ask you questions or send things in and it was completely anonymous. And so, you know, sure. I’m sure they’re getting questions, but they’re also opening themselves up to just random people, whether it’s their close friends or not, just saying things mean.

Karlie Duke (05:58)
Mm-hmm.

Tobin (06:03)
Mm-hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (06:13)
And demeaning and they don’t know who it’s from, right? And so then it’s left open to be like, okay, who is this? And it was like, do this is true and begin to spiral. And so, I mean, there’s a lot of outlets and, and yeah, I mean, acknowledging that a certain point of it is opening yourself up to it. But I mean, even with these accounts, I have a friend.

who in college had someone make like a fan account for him. And it’s like mainly just funny pictures. And he’s a guy who like,

His center of attention is easy just to laugh it off. But if that’s someone else and there’s like all of these weird pictures that like they’re posting, it’s like, that’s a it’s weird. And it is weird in this case too, but it can go quickly the other way of like, what is going on? Like, is this out of malice, things like that. And so it’s just such, it’s a wild, wild world out there. And especially social media is just.

in a lot of ways, what do other people think of me? And especially as teenagers, they’re finding ways to literally ask other people what they think of them.

Tobin (07:26)
Yeah. The bottom line is, is that you know, your team, if you’re a parent-student or a parent-mentor or teacher, you know that team. So if you see a change, it’s, it might be important for you to kind of lean in and figure out what’s causing that change. Is it a bullying situation or it could be a myriad out of other things. Like we all know that, but, being proactive in that situation and just kind of knowing that if I’m seeing a change, here’s how, here are some things that I can do to like make that, make that work.

It can feel like the perspective shift is, is it can feel incredibly embarrassing and like as a teen or really anybody, but if you, if you’re in a situation where you’re getting made fun of, you’re very vulnerable. if you’re like me and a people pleaser, that’s probably the worst. It’s the worst nightmare is to be someone that is, that is on the bad side of somebody else. we can’t wait for them to say something. I mean, like, I’m not trying to be dramatic, but like,

That’s the kind of stuff that builds up and it it creates scars that will last forever. For some people, the reality is that if it builds up and builds up, it puts them in a headspace where they might do something that hurt themselves or they might they might carry something for years that they don’t need to carry. But so like be proactive. If you see a difference in your in the teenager, a simple question, a simple thing to just kind of open the space for them.

It can make a big difference.

Caleb Hatchett (08:54)
Yeah. And I mean, as a parent, it’s, there’s some things that you can do, right? If you’re following your student on their social medias and they’re posting things like, you know, I think now it’s like TBH, like to be honest. And then people will fill out like to be honest, dot, dot, dot. Here’s what I think. And a lot of times the teens will post the good ones on their story again and respond to it. But also as parents, it’s acknowledging that

you know, especially with social media, there’s a lot that you don’t see too, whether it’s, you know, private Instagram or they have private stories, things like that. And so there are things that, yes, you should be on your radar that you’re trying to pick up as red flags on their social media. But like we’ve been saying, you also have to be aware and acknowledge whether it’s a shift in behavior or something else that’s happening.

But I think like what you can do to help is create, and again, it’s, it’s an everything that we say is create a safe space to talk about it without fear of judgment, right? And knowing hopefully like you, that you’re not a source of self doubt, things like that, that you’re speaking life and continuing to build them up and staying calm and listening before jumping into action and also acknowledging like it’s not your job to like start a manhunt necessarily and track down like this kid and find their IP address. Like it’s okay. There’s other avenues like document the bullying, save screenshot messages, and then involve other trusted adults and school admin and, and see if they can help shut down the accounts or things like that.

Karlie Duke (10:14)
You

Caleb Hatchett (10:29)
there there’s other ways, but again, just, yeah, creating a safe space and making sure just double sure that, you are not a source of self-doubt or low self-esteem in your student as well. And just being watching what you say on things like that, you know, of.

outfits and not demeaning or even questioning what they’re wearing. Like, yes, there’s probably some points, right? Are you sure you want to wear that? There’s better ways to go about it. and making sure that, that you’re not a source of that as well.

Karlie Duke (10:59)
I think that staying calm, peace is so important because I think if they say something and you immediately overreact and maybe it honestly isn’t an overreaction, maybe it deserves that reaction, but before you listen to everything that’s happening and asking the question, what can I do to help?

What do you need from me in this situation? Because it might just be, I just need to tell someone. And then when you say, okay, well, what can we do to stop this? And it might be a simple action of like, you know what? I’m just gonna block that person. And then you really didn’t have to do much of anything and you have set them up for success because you asked really good questions and you didn’t just jump in to fix it. You didn’t like call parents. You didn’t go up to the school and embarrass them.

But at the same time, there are times where you have to involve the school or if you’re a teacher and you’re hearing things that you need to go to someone say, hey, I’m hearing this. There is an account going around that is like, know.

I’ve heard of schools in situations where like rival schools will create accounts and they’ll put the heads of students on inappropriate pictures or really they’ll take really unflattering pictures and they’ll use Photoshop and especially with AI now it’s so much easier to put things in their hands that don’t belong there or to make comments about

what they’re doing with boyfriends or what they look like or what they dress like. And if you are seeing that and hearing that and you’re a school person, that is definitely an appropriate time to go to admin and say, Hey, here’s what I’m hearing in my classes. They’re talking about it. There was a girl that ran out of my class upset today. Like whatever that looks like, how can we help them take this down? How can we find out what’s happening so that we can make our students feel safe? Because a lot of the times what’s hard about cyber-bullying is it’s not happening at school, but most of the time it is school -elated because it’s peers. And so to just say that’s a home problem and I don’t have to mess with that just isn’t true because it’s gonna affect your classroom. It’s gonna affect what they’re doing if they’re able to study at home and so it does affect schoolwork. And then obviously there are some instances where if it involves threats,

If it involves illegal activity, if you think your student is being stalked because someone is constantly texting or posting or following their Instagram account and knowing where they are at all times, that might be time to talk to police or law enforcement to make sure that they are safe.

And then I also think just in general, talking about empathy and talking about how words and actions online impact others is just never a bad thing to talk about. Cause I think it’s real easy to be, to use a screen as a shield and to distance yourself from that and not think about like, Hey, would you ever say that in person? And most of the time it’s like, absolutely not.

Caleb Hatchett (13:52)
Mm.

Karlie Duke (14:06)
Or if my name was attached to it, I would never post that because I would get in trouble. But then why are you going to do it anonymously or over a screen? Or why would you comment that? Or I also think once again, it’s hard to track and that’s why cyber-bullying is so tough. But if a student posts something and then it starts getting shared behind the scenes of, you see what she was wearing? did you see this? Can you believe this?

and it starts getting passed around, that’s a really hard thing to track, but it also is just as damaging because that student is sitting there going like, man, I thought that was fun. And now everyone is talking about it and laughing about it behind my back. And I don’t even have a way to track that. And so just be aware and ask good questions, especially if your student is on social media. We’ll talk a little bit more about boundaries and stuff.

for technology next week. But this is maybe also a reason why younger students shouldn’t have social media or should have more of that. So make sure you’re setting boundaries and make sure you’re modeling healthy boundaries with social media and technology yourself as well.

Caleb Hatchett (15:22)
I like what you said too about making sure and creating conversations even with your students of making sure that they’re not the ones doing the cyber-bullying, right? Of making sure that it’s safe and understanding a healthy relationship with the internet and with…

Others in acknowledging like hey, even if like they are your close friends and an anonymous thing comes up that you’re able to just like able to take a jab it doesn’t come across as that because now they’re wondering and questioning and so Yeah, making sure that that your students aren’t the ones doing it and you know if they find out if you find out that they are having those conversations with them as well of like Here’s why we don’t and here’s yeah, kind of like Carly said I would you ask this in person things like that and so

and then again encouraging your teens to you know, even report and Block the offensive accounts so and as always validate their feelings Making sure that you know, even if you’re like really

Come on. That was pretty funny. Right? Like that meme was pretty funny. You got to admit, validating their feelings and of knowing like, okay, like, right. If they’re feeling it in this way, whether it’s in good fun or not, that, that it needs, that it needs to be addressed or talked about, with your, with your student.

Karlie Duke (16:26)
Okay.

Yeah, and I think there are obviously also times where cyber-bullying is too strong of a word to use for something that’s happening. So maybe it’s not bullying, but if your student is in a group text with someone who is making vulgar comments or sending things that they feel is inappropriate or not something that they want to be part of, like it’s good to have a conversation with, do you need to leave that group?

Caleb Hatchett (16:53)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (17:11)
Are they the outlier and the group needs to band together and say, we’re going to kick this person out of the group? is it something, like I said, there’s, was made aware of a situation at a school recently in our area that a student was saying inappropriate things about a girlfriend of one of the guys that they were in the group with. And it got to the point where, like the school had to be made aware because threats and inappropriate comments are not okay and it was upsetting the students that were hearing it or seeing it and it was also upsetting to the girl who was like I’m just sitting here doing nothing and I’m getting just blasted by this kid and so I think like I said being aware of if a student is

distancing- like they used to hang out with this person and now they’re distancing, asking questions. It might not be bullying, but like, Hey, is something happening online or video games? If they’re spending a lot of time together on video games, that looks a little different because you can’t trace it. can’t, like call back messages, but at the same time, maybe there’s something going on there that you need to ask questions about and make sure that everyone feels safe. Everyone feels like they’re being respected.

and we can move on as well.

Tobin (18:37)
a reminder too that we’re all figuring it, figuring out social media at the same time. Still kind of, it’s, still a very new thing. so as an adult in this situation, just remind yourself, one, this is new for everybody. Is there anybody that you’re, that you see as an adult that you’re like, man, I wish they would stop doing that or they would stop posting that. And we as adults need to start training our, our teens and generation below us on how to.

manage online presence a little bit better than, than what we’ve all been doing because we all are new to this. so, just, just a reminder, just, yeah, like Caleb said, validate your feelings, make sure everybody feels safe. And yeah, this is a tough situation, but, hopefully with this knowledge, just to kind of help you. So we thank you so much for, being here again for our question today, and we will see you again next week on the Teen Life Podcast.

 

Karlie Duke
Karlie Duke

Director of Communications

Tobin Hodges
Tobin Hodges

Program Director

Caleb Hatchett

Caleb Hatchett

Podcast Host

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Why Do Teens Lie and How Can We Respond Supportively | Ep. 167

Why Do Teens Lie and How Can We Respond Supportively | Ep. 167

What to Do When You Think a Teen is Lying

Whether it’s lying about a small thing or something serious, knowing how to approach situations where you think a teen might be lying can make a huge difference in your relationship. When handled correctly, it can help build the honesty and trust you want.
Key Question

What can I do when I think a teen is lying to me?

 

Understanding Why Teens Lie

Before jumping to conclusions, let’s explore some reasons why teens may not be completely honest. Lying can be a way for them to navigate complex feelings and situations they may not fully understand.

Some of the top reasons teens might lie:
  • Fear of Consequences: They’re worried about getting in trouble.
  • Feeling Overwhelmed: Sometimes the truth feels too hard to face.
  • Testing Boundaries: Pushing limits can be a normal (if challenging) part of growing up.
  • Peer Pressure: The influence of friends can drive risky choices, and lying may feel like the only option.
  • Low Self-Esteem: When self-worth is low, telling the truth can feel risky.
  • Protection: They might be covering for themselves or others to avoid negative outcomes.

Understanding these motivations helps us approach situations of dishonesty with empathy, reducing tension and focusing on the root causes of their behavior.

Responding Calmly and Constructively

So, what can we do when we suspect a teen might not be telling the truth? Here are some proven strategies that prioritize both honesty and connection:

Stay Calm and Non-Confrontational

Avoid direct accusations, as they often create defensiveness.

Give Them Space to Explain

Open the door for them to share their perspective.

Address the Root Cause

Use what you know about them to understand why they might be dishonest.

Set Clear Expectations

Remind them why honesty is important and that mistakes are a part of growth.

Focus on the Relationship

Keep communication open, emphasizing that honesty strengthens trust.

Create a Safe Space to Come Clean

Say, “If you made a mistake or feel like you didn’t tell me the whole truth, I’d like to hear about it so we can work through it together.”

Encourage Problem-Solving

Talk through how they might handle things differently next time.

Perspective Shift

When we see that lying often reflects deeper struggles, it can help us approach these moments with more patience and understanding. Rather than simply reacting to the lie itself, we can look for ways to address the underlying reasons.

TL Tips & Takeaways:

Use non-confrontational phrases like:

  • “I’m hearing some things that don’t add up…can you help me understand?”
  • “I don’t remember it happening that way; can you give me your side of the story?”

Address it when emotions are calm, making it easier to have an honest conversation.

Say, “I want you to be able to trust me, even if you are scared to get in trouble. What do you need from me to feel safe to tell the truth?”

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Remember, you’re helping build honesty, trust, and resilience in teens just by listening and learning.

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Caleb Hatchett (00:09)
What can I do when a teen is lying to me? And this is a, this is a question, right? That like is important to me because, little known fact about me, Caleb, and I’m here by the way, with Tobin and Karlie. Hey guys. Little known fact about me is I had a nickname growing up. was CL and it took me forever like to even understood what it mean, what it meant. Cause every time I asked, like even in like middle school, elementary, was like, what does CL mean? Like it means compulsive liar was my nickname was. And I was like, I didn’t know what compulsive meant to like probably way later in life. And I was like, they, okay. It made sense. So, I lied a lot growing up. And so I think the first question to ask too is why do teens lie?

And right. And so I, there’s a few that we have written down fear of consequences, feeling overwhelmed, testing boundaries, peer pressure, low self-esteem, protecting themselves or others. And then.

Karlie Duke (01:04)
Sure, that’s good place to start.

And then also like Caleb said, do know we have some friends who don’t even really think about it. And they’re maybe not even like trying to lie. They just come up with a story.

Caleb Hatchett (01:34)
That’s what I was going to say. Or it’s funny. You think it’s funny. And like, think for me, I don’t know. think it started out as like sarcasm in of itself is like a form of lying that is like culturally acceptable. And like, I think for me, at least it stemmed a lot out of that was like, I would get laughs if I was sarcastic. so then it just, it just took a tailspin into, yeah. Right.

Karlie Duke (02:05)
You embellish, you’re an embellisher. Well, I know in high school, like little thing, there are lots of things to lie about, but one example of if I was ever running late to school, man, in the car the whole way, was like, okay, what happened? Did I hit a train? Was there a car accident? Could my car not start? And for me, it also came from a place of like not wanting to disappoint. I’m a big people pleaser, enneagram two.

Caleb Hatchett (02:20)
Yeah. Yes.

Yeah.

Karlie Duke (02:32)
Any of you know any of Graham’s stuff? So mine was also like, I would rather lie than have them think I just was lazy today.

Caleb Hatchett (02:40)
Yeah, that’s a good one.

Karlie Duke (02:41)
and just didn’t get up in time. And so I think there are lots of reasons that our teens lie. And so trying to think through, it’s still not great and we still need to call them to a higher standard, but there are usually reasons behind it. And sometimes they aren’t just like, I just want to lie because I want to be dishonest.

Caleb Hatchett (02:50)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think this is a, this is a good story. I think for me, like also like to get out of things, it’s just like, kind of like you said, like whether it comes from a place of not wanting to disappoint or even just like laziness. remember there was one time. This is, this is the first time it’s out in public, but, there was, I was like a part of the scholarship at the college that I went to and part of the scholarship was you had to go to this dinner and.

Karlie Duke (03:11)
Hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (03:32)
It’s embarrassing story, okay? But it needs to be out there. It’s, it’s, it’s entertaining. The lady who runs the scholarship comes up to me. It goes, Caleb, the scholarship dinner is this date. Will you be able to make it?

I, no, I’m sorry. Like just knee jerk reaction. Cause I didn’t really want to go. And she goes, why not? And I’m like, then now I’m scrambling. Now I’m in it. It would have just been easier to be like, give me the date though. I can make it. But I say, my friend has a wedding. And she goes on a Tuesday.

Karlie Duke (04:08)
you

Caleb Hatchett (04:12)
So then I have to go and I’m like wait, what was the date again? And she tells me I pull my phone out I’m just buying time and then it gets worse because I go Yeah It’s so embarrassing. Yes, I go he was a friend in high school I was

Karlie Duke (04:27)
You stuck with that story?

Caleb Hatchett (04:34)
Really like one of his only friends in high school. I’m the only person like in his, in his like groom party. And it’s like a shotgun wedding. He got this girl pregnant. And so it’s, it has to be like low key. And so they’re doing it on a Tuesday and she can’t press me on that. She’s like, okay. And so I don’t leave the room that day. And then I will, remember literally walking away from that conversation.

Tobin (04:47)
Hey, love.

That

Caleb Hatchett (05:04)
And I was like, why, like why, why did I do that? Like it just, it just, again, CL compulsively just came out. And so I don’t know. Maybe there are other compulsive liars out there who just can’t help themselves with anything. So.

Tobin (05:23)
I just think it’s interesting that you went from I’m in a wedding to I’m a groomsman for a guy that got his girlfriend pregnant. Like, just…

Karlie Duke (05:28)
you

Caleb Hatchett (05:31)
Yeah, we got there some But anyways, it’s a safe space here, okay? I am

Karlie Duke (05:38)
Caleb. But I do think that’s a great example. Number one, she was the sweetest woman. So you should feel horrible. You should. And so, the kind of going into like, can we do when you’re lying? And she’s probably sitting there going, when you said I’m in a wedding, she’s like, no, you’re not. She knew. But like asking the, instead of just saying like, I think you’re lying for her to be like, really? On a Tuesday? Tell me more about that.

Caleb Hatchett (05:43)
she was. I do. I do.

Yeah, yeah, she pressed me on it.

Karlie Duke (06:08)
And so I think one of the first tips is stay calm and non-confrontational. Like if you just come out the gate at a teenager and like you’re lying, you’re not telling me the truth, they immediately are A, gonna shut down or B, gonna double down on their lie in a way that’s not helpful for anyone, including you, you’re not gonna get what you want out of that. And then like giving them space to explain if you ask a question.

Caleb Hatchett (06:18)
Mm.

Yeah.

Karlie Duke (06:35)
and just kind of see what happens. Now you might have a liar like Caleb who just keeps going because she gave you an opportunity even with giving you the date again to be like, man, I got the date wrong. I can make that.

Caleb Hatchett (06:43)
I know.

Yeah, absolutely right Absolutely, right. She like if again we’re breaking this down as ways for adults to handle this. Yeah absolutely because I mean I Don’t know. I’m a nice enough kid that I don’t if she was like I think you’re lying. I might have just been like yeah, but If there are like right like then at a certain point like if you’re just gonna call him out flat out

Karlie Duke (07:08)
You

Caleb Hatchett (07:15)
then it’s a testament of wills. Like you can’t prove each other right or wrong. And so it’s like, no, I’m not. Yes, you are. And then it’s like, I’m in middle school again. So yeah, I think staying, staying calm and like Karlie said, yeah, even just asking other questions, making them explain it. And again, like even as, we’re thinking about as, as adults or leading groups, things like that is, is setting clear expectations of we’re gonna

We’re going to be honest here and set those norms.

Karlie Duke (07:50)
What I think what you said is really important to you, Caleb, rarely can you like outright prove that they’re lying. Like a lot of times, even if you really have a lot of evidence and you really think they’re not telling the truth, if they just like look at you dead in the eyes and are like, no, this is what happened. It’s really hard to be like, no, no, you’re wrong. And so you do have to balance that really well.
Going back to what we talked to at the beginning, like we also have to get to why are they lying?

What is the root cause here? And maybe try to like talk through some of that of like, hey, if you think you’re gonna get in trouble for that, like, let’s have a real conversation, I want you to be honest with me. And as of right now, like, that doesn’t work always, but like, you’re not gonna get in trouble. I’d rather just know what’s going on, then try to catch you lying. So like, let’s actually talk about this right now.

Caleb Hatchett (08:23)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Karlie Duke (08:46)
Or if you think it’s peer pressure of, you might be getting pressure from friends and you’re trying to cover for them. And if that’s the case, let’s talk about that and how that’s actually not even helpful for them because I want to help them and I need to know what’s happening. Because sometimes, like we said, teenagers lie for each other because they’re scared to get a friend in trouble or a friend told them you can’t tell anyone or…

Don’t get me in trouble. You know that they’re cheating off of you, but you can’t say anything because then it causes problems. And so trying to figure out what could be holding them back from telling the truth. And let’s address that first before we address the actual lie.

Caleb Hatchett (09:29)
Yeah.

Tobin (09:30)
Sometimes the lies are more just embellishments too. like if a, I, what I come across more than anything is it’s not really out and out lying. It’s more embellishing what’s actually happened. Like, like, did you, know, how did you do on your, on your, you know, test today? Like, I think I like aced it and it was really great. And my teacher gave me.

Caleb Hatchett (09:34)
Mm-hmm.

Tobin (09:54)
You know, through confetti, but when I turned it in, cause I did so good, you know, like, like, mean, that’s like, obviously, you know, over exaggeration, but like, sometimes people will embellish because to either make a story better or to, save a little face of what might be going on. And, and sometimes like, I think it’s really, really as a, as humans were really quick to jump to, you’re a liar and you’re, and you’re this, this admonishing situation. Like my, my five-year-old is like that. Like if we, like we went.

somewhere last night and we didn’t end up getting him something that we told him. was like, a, like a snack. told him I get them because we, just forgot and we got to the car and he just like, he went straight to a, you’re a liar. Like, and just like went straight to that. And it’s just like, but that’s how, but that’s how we are as humans is we go straight to hurt and angry and you’ve, you’ve wronged me instead of, well either the lie wasn’t as bad as I, as I want, as I think it is, or like, like, like you said,

Karlie Duke (10:37)
Ha ha.

Tobin (10:54)
what’s behind it and what can we do to help with that and move past it and stay non-confrontational.

Caleb Hatchett (10:59)
So then like, what do we do, right? As adults, parents, leaders in a student’s life, if we do catch them, right? In a lie. And I think too, like it goes back to like paying attention, asking those questions, you know, if you’re involved and invested in a teen’s life, you know, it’s small things that you can pick up on. I remember one time.

I told my parents that we were just talking about what me and my friends did. And I said, we all went to Sonic. I was the only one who could drive and I had three friends over and they go, how did you all get to Sonic? And I’m like, cause I shouldn’t have been driving more than one person in the car. Cause I had only had my license for a few months. Right. But, but I like, the question is like, what, do we do as adults leaders when we do catch someone in a lie?

Karlie Duke (11:45)
Well, and I think one of the things that we talk about in our teen life facilitator training a lot is be curious. And so in this situation, often there are red flags, like when they’re talking about going to Sonic and you as a parent are thinking, well, they shouldn’t have done that and how else would they have gotten there? I know the facts. So asking questions of like, well, how did you get there? What did that look like?

Caleb Hatchett (12:10)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (12:11)
for if you’re at school and they’re talking about something that happened or why they didn’t do homework and you’re sitting there going, man, they’re like really emotional about this or they are like really drilling down. Like I just asked a simple question and they are going into a lot more detail. That’s probably a red flag that like, maybe there’s something going on that you can start to ask questions about because you’re right, Tobin, just saying like, you’re a liar. Does not focus on the relationship and keep that relationship.

Caleb Hatchett (12:26)
Yeah.

Tobin (12:39)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (12:40)
because I think in some ways you have to set an environment where they feel safe to share even if they’ve already lied.

Tobin (12:48)
And if you, you uncover that they are not telling you the full truth as a teacher or a parent or an adult mentor, whatever it may be, maybe get to the place where you can ask the question, why did you feel the need to do that? And like, don’t ask it in like a, you know, mom guilt, dad guilt kind of thing. Like, why did you feel any, because they might have an answer for you that maybe you need to hear too. Like maybe it needs like, Hey, when I tell you, like, like I know that I’ve had this issue with my son before of

Caleb Hatchett (13:06)
Yeah.

Tobin (13:17)
when he’ll say something to me, I, I am in the past and still some now, but like, I’ve gotten better about it, but like, would immediately go to my anger mode or like my frustrated mode. so that made him not want to come tell me because he knew that the reaction was going to be quick and not pleasant. And so that was something that like we had talked and he had said, like, whenever I talked to you, like you immediately go to this. And so,

Maybe it’s a thing where y’all get better together and you figure out like, what, what do you need to hear that is going to make the situation better? And what, what am I doing? Like, why did you feel the need to hide the truth from me? And some of it too, like it might be, give you a chance to give them a, like an opening to say something that they need to be talked through. Like, like, like something from their past, something from other adults that they struggle with and stuff like that. So, I mean, I just think that there’s.

There’s easy ways to make this work for you long-term and the whole point of this stuff is not to get crack on people for not telling lies, it’s to figure out what’s the root of it and how do we stop that from happening again kind of thing.

Caleb Hatchett (14:30)
Yeah, I think like creating a safe space and giving like a rational response is almost key in those moments, right? Because if you explode, you make it into this big thing, then like they’re going to get then in their mind is, okay, I’m going to have to get better at lying. Like I’m going to have to do everything in my power again to not get caught.

Karlie Duke (14:48)
Right.

Caleb Hatchett (14:52)
Right? If this is how the reaction is going to be. so creating a space where it’s a, we’re having a conversation and this is safe. And I want to know what you did. I’m not a happy that she, that she will lie. And I’m actually more upset about the fact that you lied than what you did, but this should help in going forward, knowing like, man, like this is a safe space and, I want to help you walk through whether it is you’re afraid of, of the consequences or things like that of.

of how can we help create this environment and this space where you’re comfortable with coming to me in the first place, I think is important. Because yeah, mean, personal experience and just knowing how teams work, it’s a, no, I got caught and there’s a consequence, which again, there should be, right? But if there’s the consequence without an explanation or without using it as an opportunity to help create a safe space, then it’s.

Now I have to do everything I can not to get caught again.

Tobin (15:50)
Well, can I, can I, I’m going to tap in on that consequence thing real quick. Cause, you’re right. There should be a consequence, but also if your consequence is so, so strict and bad and it doesn’t mean, I had parents that were when you did something like it was almost like there was a, like a theoretical chart of when you do this, this is what happens. And, and like, I think sometimes we get into that, that mode of in schools are like this of.

Tobin (16:18)
When you, when you get in trouble, this is the consequence. with sometimes there’s, there’s grace in the, you don’t have to, like, if they, if they catch, if you catch them in a certain lie or problem, you don’t have to do the generic. This is what I do for a lie every time. Because again, if, especially if you get them to open up with you, that gives you a chance to show them that they can trust you.

And yeah, there still needs to be a consequence and the consequence can be major, but it doesn’t have to be this immediate, okay, thank you for telling me the truth, and thank you for working with me. But then also I’m going to slam the book down on you at the same time. so, and again, there are times that you need to do that and you need to drop the hammer on the consequences, but just kind of be mindful about that too, of there doesn’t have to be a set list of here’s how we handle these situations. Everything should be taken case-by-case.

Karlie said this a lot, you know,

Caleb Hatchett (16:55)
Absolutely. Yeah.

Absolutely right.

Tobin (17:18)
She said to stay curious with one thing we say a lot too is be shockproof because, that goes with this stuff too, is that you have to know that this stuff’s going to happen. And if you behave that you are shocked or outraged or angry, then that’s going to put a wall between you and the teenager.

Caleb Hatchett (17:22)
Mm-hmm.

Karlie Duke (17:34)
When I think for school people especially, one of the things that we do in teen life groups is I will sit down at the very beginning of my group and say, hey, this is a safe place. What you say in here stays in here. We always clarify that with unless you were talking about hurting yourself or someone else. And then I do have to report that.

But otherwise, if you need to talk about something that happened at home that you’re upset about, I’m not gonna go call your mom.

Caleb Hatchett (18:03)
Hmm.

Karlie Duke (18:04)
And so also knowing, like I said, you know your situation and what you can and can’t say, but if it’s something that they feel like they need to share and it’s not, they’re worried about getting in trouble or they’re worried about what you’re going to think, just be like, Hey, this is a safe place. And like, I’m a trusted person for you so you can share this. and then also like you’re saying Tobin, knowing when to say, you know what grace is more important here in this situation than the consequence. And sometimes it might be, there’s a natural consequence that comes with that. They don’t turn.

their homework in so like hey and they lied about it and so instead of getting them in double trouble just be like hey there are natural consequences for not turning your homework in but like I just want to talk through this and you’re not gonna get in trouble for lying if we can have a good conversation right now I’ve had to do that with my seven-year-old if sometimes he sneaks and hides things and I’ve had to be like or something was colored on the wall whoever will confess to this

you’re gonna clean it up, but you’re gonna get in less trouble if you tell the truth now than if you continue to lie to me about it. And so also having that conversation.

Caleb Hatchett (19:06)
Yeah.

And I think too, like helping teens understand even in a lot of ways, like of where you’re coming from, right? Cause at the end of the day, like why, why we get so upset about being lied to is it’s, it’s the now a lack of trust, right? Like, I don’t know how much I can trust you in certain things if I can’t trust what you say. And so, you know, even helping them understand, like it’s

You know, I’m not, might not, you might not be grounded. It might not be this huge thing, but like in a way this relationship has shifted a bit, right? Because if you think about your best friends and if they lied to you, you’re going to be a little hurt. so like me as a trusted adult, as a parent trust has been

lost or given, right? And so it’s how can we have a relationship that we trust each other? And so even helping them understanding where you’re coming from in the midst of all of this can hopefully help them kind of understand of why that reaction is there for you.

Karlie Duke (20:10)
Okay, yeah, good. Okay, so I think some just takeaways as you leave the podcast episode today, maybe adopt some non-confrontational phrases, things like, hey, I’m hearing some things that don’t add up. Can you help me understand? That would have been a great thing to say to Caleb in the wedding situation. Or.

Caleb Hatchett (20:27)
Yeah. Yeah. It would have.

Karlie Duke (20:30)
If you hear them telling a story that you were there for and you’re like, they’re lying, that’s not what happened. Maybe instead of saying, hey, that’s not what happened. Like, I don’t remember it happening that way. Will you give me your side of the story? And having an opening a conversation where like, we saw that differently. Or if they’re saying you said this to me and I can’t believe that. And you’re like, they’re lying. I never said that.

Caleb Hatchett (20:43)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (20:52)
having like, I don’t remember it that way. So why don’t you tell me your side of the story and then I’ll share what I think happened. And maybe we can come to a middle place there. I think sometimes it’s also important to address it when emotions aren’t as high. So if you don’t have to address it in the moment, come back and maybe even have a conversation of like, okay, let’s talk about what happened there. What can we do differently next time? Or what do you need from me?

so that you can be honest moving forward because I wanna make sure that we’re trustworthy. I know we’ve talked a lot about that of like making sure that you’re a safe place too. And so maybe when we aren’t as upset both sides, you can have that conversation of like, seems like you’re kind of scared to tell me the truth. So what do we need to change or what can I do to make you feel safe in this situation?

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Supporting Teens with Difficult or Uninvolved Parents | Ep. 166

How can we step up for teens with uninvolved parents without overstepping?

As mentors, educators, and community leaders, we often encounter students who need extra support because of challenges at home.

How can we best be there for them without overstepping boundaries? And how do we approach and work with parents who might be distant, resistant, or even hostile?

Whether you’re in a school, church, or community setting, this episode offers practical strategies and real-life examples to help you navigate these situations with compassion and effectiveness.

Key Question

How can I support students who have uninvolved or difficult parents? And how do I work with those parents?

How to Support Teens:
  • Be Consistent Teens thrive on stability, especially when they don’t have it at home. Show up for them in small but meaningful ways, and make sure they know they can rely on you.
  • Be Willing to Step In and Help with Basic Skills Some teens may not have the support they need to develop essential life skills, like studying, organizing, or managing their emotions. Offer to help where you can, but remember to respect their autonomy.
  • Connect Them with Resources You can’t be everything to every teen, and that’s okay. Knowing where to direct them for additional support—whether that’s tutoring, counseling, or extracurricular activities—can make a big difference.
  • Encourage Without Bashing the Parents It’s important to uplift teens without criticizing their parents. You can validate their feelings while maintaining a respectful and neutral stance about their family situation.
How to Work with Parents:
  • Come with Compassion, Not Judgment It’s essential to approach parents with empathy, recognizing that you may not know the whole story. Their behavior might be a result of challenges you can’t see—mental health struggles, past trauma, or overwhelming life circumstances.
  • Meet Parents Where They Are Offer multiple ways to communicate and connect. Whether it’s meeting at a convenient time or having a phone call instead of an in-person meeting, flexibility can help build trust and open communication.
  • Advocate for the Teen Without Blaming If you need to discuss a teen’s challenges, do so with care. Gently express how the parent’s involvement (or lack thereof) impacts their child while offering constructive, non-judgmental support.
  • Offer Support Give parents simple, manageable suggestions to become more involved. Maybe you can remind them about events or even offer a ride for their child. The goal is to show you’re on their side and want to partner with them for their child’s success.

Perspective Shift

It’s crucial to remember that teens don’t choose their parents, and many face circumstances beyond their control.

For some, their home life puts them at a disadvantage, and they may need more support, empathy, and understanding. On the flip side, consider the parents’ perspective. They may not want to be difficult but might lack the skills or support themselves. They could be dealing with issues like mental health struggles, financial stress, or simply not having had positive role models.

Building trust with compassion can open the door to making a real difference.

TL Tips & Takeaways:

Celebrate Small Wins:

Look for ways to recognize students’ efforts and progress. Acknowledging these can boost their confidence and help them feel valued.

Check-In:

Ask a “fist-to-five” question about how things are going at home. This simple check-in can give you insight into their current situation.

Do One Small Thing:

Think of one small way you can support a student this week. Whether it’s bringing an extra lunch, offering a ride, or helping them with schoolwork, these little gestures can have a big impact.

Tune in to learn more about how to be a consistent, supportive presence in a teen’s life and how to approach difficult parent situations with empathy and effectiveness. Let’s make a difference, one student at a time. Remember to subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts so you don’t miss out on future episodes. We’d love to hear from you—reach out to us on social media or email us at podcast@teenlife.ngo to submit your questions. Let’s keep the conversation going!
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Tobin (00:05) Okay. How can I support students who have uninvolved or difficult parents? And how do I work with those parents? That is our question for today. Once again, welcome back to the Teen Life Podcast. My name is Tobin and I’m here again with Karlie and Caleb. And we just want to talk today about the question that was brought to us is how do we deal with students who may have a different home life than what we’re used to or expecting? we want to start with just kind of some easy tips for you. So how to support the teens. The first and foremost thing is just to be consistent.

Karlie Duke (00:29) Mm

Tobin (00:38) and be willing to step in and help with basic things that they may not be getting at home. Don’t take for granted that they are getting told the things that you think that every kid gets told because they may not be. The biggest example that is they also may not have parents literally at home before they come see you. They may be on work shifts or whatever it may be. Connect them with resources that

Caleb Hatchett (00:50) Hmm, yeah.

Tobin (01:05) you know, that may be able to help because the one thing that I’m really bad at is trying to do everything for someone in need. And sometimes that actually makes it worse on you and on the student as well. And then, yeah, exactly. And then encourage them without bashing the parents. That’s our, our main four things before we get kind of dive into this, but, you know, I always tell people that whenever you are dealing with stuff like this – That is still their family. And when it’s, when it’s all said and done, especially when they’re in the teenage years, they have to figure out as an adult how to deal with their parents. But whenever they’re teens, they, don’t have that choice. So don’t, don’t create tension or angst that is probably already there and you don’t need to be adding gasoline to the flame. Like, and so, that’s our four easy, kind of not easy. That’s our four broad ways that we can help support teams that you only think I add to that or maybe one that I’m not thinking of.

Karlie Duke (02:10) Well, I think let’s also talk about what does this look like. When we’re talking about uninvolved or difficult parents, which it’s hard to define because that could be a variety of different things. But especially if you are

Tobin (02:27) Mm

Karlie Duke (02:31) in a school, you might see kids who come home or come back to school without homework done, without projects done. Maybe they aren’t getting forms signed by parents they should. Tobin, you just mentioned the other day, sometimes schools do things for band, they have father -son night or for drill team, daddy -daughter things. But if there’s not an involved parent, maybe they feel like they don’t have anyone who can show up.

Tobin (02:42) Mm -hmm.

Karlie Duke (03:02) for that kind of thing. And so when it comes to uninvolved parents, that’s a big thing too, especially from the school or from the church, or maybe you have one of your child’s friends who comes from a home where the parents are uninvolved or have mental health problems where they can’t be available for the student in the way that they need to be. Maybe they work difficult hours and they work at night and they can’t be at sporting events. And you’re sitting there going, I want to,

Caleb Hatchett (03:07) Yeah.

Tobin (03:07) Yeah. Karlie Duke (03:31) Help this student, but how can I get through to a parent that is a more difficult situation?

Tobin (03:37) Going back to that, the father, son, mommy, son, whatever it may be, those kind of events, one thing I’ve seen schools do very well in this situation is they may call it, I’ll give an example, the choir at the school that my son goes to, they have a father-son night for their choir, and the dads sing with the choir.

Karlie Duke (04:00) Hmm.

Tobin (04:05) And I think it may be moms too, but whatever parent night, whatever. And I don’t think they even call it parent. I think they call it like heroes night or whatever, because then that gives you a chance to say to a student like, Hey, if you don’t have a parent or you or your parent is not someone that you want to bring in this situation, you can also invite X, Y, Z. In this case, it’s like, former music teachers. Cause I get invited to it every year by, you know, old students that I used to have. and that’s not a, that’s not a humble brag. It’s just in general, like that’s just like,

Caleb Hatchett (04:12) Mmm. Hmm.

Tobin (04:34) I, it’s a cool thing that I get to see every year. so if you are a school staff person or a person who’s in charge of those things, just kind of think through alternatives of what are ways that I can make sure that everyone feels included in this situation, whether they have a parent that’s gone or a parent that’s not involved or a parent that doesn’t show up or, you know, a parent that maybe the student doesn’t want to come for other reasons. And so, just kind of think through how you can have alternative ways to celebrate that without alienating some people too.

Caleb Hatchett (05:04) Yeah, I think too, it’ll look different in every environment, right? Like you being a teacher and supporting a student who has uninvolved or difficult parents is gonna look different if you’re a student minister or a group leader or in, that person’s community. I think the biggest thing, for me, in those situations is like a lot of times, like, you’re to have to pick up on these things and kind of take the lead on, you know, students not going to. Unless it’s a safe environment, isn’t going to really give up that information just willingly on, you know, the first interaction with them. And so, you know, as a, as a student minister, it’s about creating those environments and taking the charge on, let’s go get lunch and let’s go build a safe relationship and a safe community. And I think another just boundary to have is like, you know, encouraging without bashing the parents, but also being there without being the parent, you know, you don’t have to fill that parent role. That’s not, that’s not your job.

Tobin (06:00) Yeah, that’s good. I like that.

Caleb Hatchett (06:06) But still be there and still support that student can it’s about it’s a tightrope to walk but you don’t need to be the parent for for that student and I think you know There’s other ways to handle like for the parents themselves is just to come with compassion and not judgment. You obviously want to create a safe space with the student to where, you know, it doesn’t seem like you’re taking a side, just whenever you’re viewing that, talking with that student or viewing the parents, just come with compassion and not judgment. And keep in mind that you don’t know the whole story, especially if you’re only interacting with a student, you just know one side of the story.

Karlie Duke (06:43) Mm -hmm. Right. Right. And I think when you’re dealing with those parents, specifically if you’re an adult in a teen’s life and you need to interact with parents who maybe aren’t involved and are hard to get in touch with, or like I said, maybe have different circumstances that make them a little more difficult to handle. That could be personality differences. That could be lack of awareness. That could be, like I said, mental health problems that just make being around a little more difficult.

One of the key things is just to meet the parents where they are.

So if you’re needing to meet with them, offer a variety of ways to meet. Maybe give them different time options. Maybe say, hey, if you can’t meet in person, can I do a phone call? Hey, you call me when it works for you. You might have to be a little more flexible than you would with other parents just to make sure that they’re okay. Meet at times. Also maybe where they won’t cause a scene. or embarrassment if you’re dealing with a difficult parent. I know when I was in high school, there were kids that I went to school with whose parents sometimes if they were meeting with a teacher and it wasn’t going well would cause a scene. They just, we knew that they weren’t going to take that well and there would be raised voices and there would be, and if you have a feeling that that might be a parent that you’re dealing with, have that parent come in after hours. Like I said, maybe that is a phone call so they’re not coming up and adding more to the plate. of that student. I’ll also say we didn’t add this as much with the student, but I’m going to go back and add this. Remember that they’re separate? The parent and the child. Sometimes it’s hard to separate those if you have a difficult relationship with a parent, but the teenager didn’t choose that. And so looking out for the student and doing what’s best for the student, even if their parent isn’t thinking that way in that moment, that’s a way that you can help them.

Caleb Hatchett (08:27) Yeah.

Tobin (08:37) Yeah, for sure.

Caleb Hatchett (08:39) Mm -hmm.

Karlie Duke (08:48) advocate for the teen without blaming. That’s key to when you’re talking to a parent and you’re like, hey, they need help at home or they really need this from you. But without being like, hey, you’re being terrible or hey, you’re not showing up and it’s impacting your student. But also maybe just let them know like, hey, I really think it would mean a lot to your child if you showed up to the football game this week. Do you need help getting there? Do you need me to help you buy your ticket? Is there someone that can help you?

Caleb Hatchett (08:59) Hahaha

Karlie Duke (09:15) like meet you at the front and walk you because you’re anxious about where you’re gonna sit. Thinking through things like that and then offering support, giving simple suggestions, like I said, for ways that they can be involved. Maybe it’s a, hey, calendars get crazy, do you need an extra reminder when this is due? Can I send you an email and say, hey, don’t forget to fill this form out or don’t forget that the, to sign up for the mission trip, that deadline is coming up and. you I just don’t I want to make sure you don’t want to miss it so what’s the best way for me to help support you in that offering things like that really practical ways.

Tobin (09:52) think also from the school side of things, definitely in the culture that we’re in right now, there’s not a lot of trust between schools and parents, at least in some settings. so if you are coming from the school’s perspective, just kind of remind yourself that like, have to like, even if I’m trying to get across them that I need either them to back off or to be more involved, depending on what the parent is, you kind of have to come at it with a, I’ve got to gain their trust before I can do that stuff. So doing those things that Karlie just said will obviously help with that. But, but also just kind of reminding yourself that it’s like everything we say, including with the teens, like everyone is coming to the table with something that’s creating a block or a stressor or whatever it may be. And that includes the reason for these parents behaving the way they are, whether that’s good or bad or overbearing or underbearing and that kind of thing. it’s, it’s just, it’s really hard to kind of, kind of play that, you know, that one of those one side or the other.

But the main thing is, is that the student and the team gets what they need and that’s to be cared for. So whether that’s through you as the school staff, whether that’s through a mentor, whether that’s through the parents, actually the parents, whatever it may be, that’s, that’s the end goal. And that’s the thing that you have to remind the parents too, is that we all want, you know, little Caleb to have what they need. So that includes, you know, us helping you to figure out what you can do to help with that too.

Karlie Duke (11:27) Right. When I think, and every episode we try to kind of give a perspective shift to maybe you haven’t thought about it this way. and so like I said, teenagers can’t choose their parents. Oftentimes parents don’t want to be difficult. They don’t want to be uninvolved. There might be outside forces that are contributing to that. And so that’s where I’m saying like having that compassion. but one thing, the more and more I’m in schools, the more and more I do teen life groups.

Tobin (11:38) Mm

Karlie Duke (11:57) And maybe I have a difficult student. I’ve worked a lot in alternative campuses. So students who have gotten kicked off of their traditional campus for one reason or another. And as I’m sitting there going like, how did you get here? As they start to talk, I’m like, man, you are already at a disadvantage because of your home life. You are already, I have students tell me over and over again, man, I just wish my parents cared enough to punish me. Man, I wish my parent cared enough to set a curfew.

Caleb Hatchett (12:22) Hmm.

Karlie Duke (12:26) or my parent has never shown up to a single game I’ve ever played. They have no idea of my coach’s names, they don’t know any of my teachers. And so those students need more help, they need more empathy, and they just need more support than your students who come from a home where like everything’s firing on all cylinders and they have involved parents who know what’s going on and in a way that they have a good relationship too. And so if they are coming from a place where it just isn’t… in that season, a good relationship at home. just, they need a little, they need a little extra help.

Caleb Hatchett (13:02) And it’s like, okay, to provide that help, to provide that extra support. Like it’s not, you’re not playing favorites or anything like that. It’s just, you’re being there and providing for a student who needs that extra, extra bit of help. so some

Karlie Duke (13:09) Mm Well, I think too, we tell our facilitators like when they go through training, you might be one of the first adults who has actually listened and not lectured, or you might be the first adult where a student walks away going, man, they really care about me and they’re going to show up next week. Some of our students have never had that modeled for them. And so if you are a teacher in a school setting, the way that you react to that student might be the first time that they’ve had an adult.

Tobin (13:26) Yeah. 100%.

Caleb Hatchett (13:28) Yeah.

Karlie Duke (13:47) care about them that way. I’m a youth minister, another parent, like if they walk in, you’re like, why did they react that way? Maybe they’ve never seen an adult hug their kid and said, Hey, I’m proud of you. Or if they have bad news, be like, man, you know what? That’s okay. Let’s figure out how we’re going to work through this together. And they’re sitting there going like, wait, you’re not getting yelled at. You’re not getting kicked out of the house because you made a mistake. And so you’re always being watched and every interaction that you have could be

Caleb Hatchett (13:55) Mm Hmm.

Karlie Duke (14:16) as Tobin was saying, like just an opportunity to gain trust and to make that happen with the student as well.

Tobin (14:24) And so, so on that note, like as we kind of get towards the end of this, this topic, here’s some tips and takeaways. Like the first and foremost being look for ways to celebrate the student or students. it doesn’t even need to be like, mean, Karlie just said it, like it could literally be like a high five saying, Hey dude, like really proud of you for XYZ or Hey, like it can be literally anything, but if you show interest in them and celebrating them, it, goes a long way. Yeah.

Karlie Duke (14:54) Well, I have an example as we were talking about it, I was thinking I was like, we actually did this, not like to pat myself on the back, but a little different, but Josh had a player who was getting to do a college visit and we just knew like he was going to go on this college visit. And I was, I just asked Josh, I was like, is anyone going to be home that night to celebrate that?

Caleb Hatchett (15:17) Mmm.

Karlie Duke (15:17) And to be like, Hey, this is a big thing that you are getting a college visit. You’re looking to play further on whether he got that or not. And I was like, can we just take him to dinner? Will you just ask, can we meet him and take him to dinner? And our family with teeny tiny toddlers rolled up and I’m sure it was kind of cheesy and wheels off, but that was just a way that to say like, Hey, we noticed the effort that you’re making. We noticed that you’re putting work in and want to celebrate you. And I know some people like.

Caleb Hatchett (15:41) Mm.

Karlie Duke (15:47) school staff might not be able to do things like that. And so that’s where Tobin’s saying it could be a high five. It could be slipping a note on a piece of homework that was like, Hey, I saw progress on this paper. Great job.

Caleb Hatchett (15:59) Hmm. And to like the way you know, those things to celebrate is through that investment and through that support of, of knowing if something’s going on, even like outside of school of like a game or anything like that. Like it’s just those small wins and celebrations are another way to say, this, this person cares. Like beyond just how I am as a student or how I am as, you know, within this youth group, right? And so like, I’ve always just amazed by how those little things like showing up to a game or asking a follow -up on something that they one -off mentioned the week before means so much more than even like I can expect. And so just being intentional and being…

Karlie Duke (16:39) Mm -hmm.

Tobin (16:42) Mm -hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (16:47) consistent with those things go such a long way just because you know if a student is so used to being let down you don’t want to be another person to get a hope up and another let down and so yes the expectations are a little higher, but just being there and modeling that for a student can go such a long way with how they interact with other people and other adults for the rest of their lives and so it’s just so so so important

Karlie Duke (16:58) Mm -hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (17:15) and some other small things that you can do for students are just bringing an extra lunch, ask if they need help studying, offering a ride if they need to go someplace like you because if their parents are working weird schedules they might not be able to to go to as a small group or I just come at it from a student ministry angle but making sure that they can get there and then

Tobin (17:41) with which actually making sure this I had to say like making sure you have parent consent on that. Like you go through the parents offer the ride. Just, know, yeah.

Caleb Hatchett (17:46) Yes. Being smart about it. then yeah, asking if they, you need to remind their parents about an event, like Karlie had said, making sure that, that it’s on the radar that they can go and making sure that you’re putting them in the best environments possible.

Karlie Duke (18:03) I think for a student, if they have asked a parent to come to something or show up and that parent has said no or has forgotten, putting themselves back out there is an incredibly vulnerable place to be. And so if you know that, maybe a student has mentioned like, yeah, I asked, but they never said anything. Be like, hey, let me ask. Let me take that off you. And maybe another voice would be helpful. And then if they get a rejection that’s on you and not on them and you can take some of that pressure off.

Tobin (18:20) Mm -hmm sure

Caleb Hatchett (18:21) Yeah.

Tobin (18:28) Mm

Caleb Hatchett (18:29) Hmm.

Karlie Duke (18:33) Another.

Tobin (18:33) The last thing you can do to like, well, I’ll be really good to talk about this from a teen life perspective is sometimes you don’t need to have a heavy, long conversation with them. Just ask them fist to five. How are you this week? How are things at home? And that way that gives them the chance to open up to you about it. But if they show you a low number, then you know, OK, I got to keep an eye on this. I got to check in on this. And it doesn’t have to be right that moment either. And so just making sure that your president showing them and parents can do that, too. It’s not this is it. This is it.

Caleb Hatchett (18:44) Yeah.

Tobin (19:02) you know, just for people who are trying to help with uninvolved or overbearing parents. like this is anybody like ask your kid like this five hours a week. OK, cool. And then just kind of keep note of that. And just that’s an easy, easy touch point without having to be like, know my kid, my oldest kid is a he will come to me when he’s ready to talk, but he will not talk if I go to him. And so like I can I can get things out of him like a fistful five, but.

Caleb Hatchett (19:12) Mm

Tobin (19:30) and I can just kind of know, okay, he’s having a rough week, but I need to wait for him to come to me. And so, but I know that about my kid. And so there’s probably some kids that you’re working with that are the same way.

Karlie Duke (19:34) Mm

Caleb Hatchett (19:36) Mm.

Karlie Duke (19:40) That’s good. Well, that’s a wrap on this question in this episode. So make sure you subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. Reach out on social media or podcast@teenlife.ngo to submit your questions. We’re already starting to plan for our next set of questions coming in the spring.

Send us an email, let us know what do you want us to cover, what questions you have that are going to help you connect with the teenagers in your life, and we’ll see you next week!

Karlie Duke
Karlie Duke

Director of Communications

Tobin Hodges
Tobin Hodges

Program Director

Caleb Hatchett

Caleb Hatchett

Podcast Host

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Teens, Media and Information Sources | Ep 165

Teens, Media and Information Sources | Ep 165

Teens overwhelmingly rely on social media for information and news, but is that the best source?

From social media and search engines to online communities and friends, teens have access to a wide range of media and information sources—but not all are created equal. We’ll explore the landscape of teen information consumption and discuss how we can help guide them to trustworthy content.

Key Question

Where do teens get most of their information? And how can we point them to better resources?

Top Media and Information Sources for Teens:
Here are some of the most common places teens turn to for information:

  • Social Media (TikTok): Social media is a major influence, with TikTok leading the charge. Teens often rely on these platforms for quick information, but the content they see is curated by algorithms, which can create echo chambers.
  • Friends and Peers: Teens trust the opinions of those around them, and their friends and peers are often primary sources of information.
  • Search Engines (Google and YouTube): Quick searches are the go-to for many teens, and YouTube is a major platform for visual learners.
  • ChatGPT or AI: More teens are turning to AI tools like ChatGPT for instant answers, but accuracy varies.
  • Family: Family still plays a role, but sometimes teens seek other sources when family members aren’t open to discussing certain topics.
  • School: While educators provide information, the impact often depends on the topic and the teacher’s approach.
  • News (Mostly Digital): Teens may browse news articles online, but they often consume headlines and summaries rather than in-depth reporting.
  • Online Communities and Forums (Reddit, Discord): These platforms can provide niche or community-based information, but the quality is mixed.
  • Podcasts: Yes, podcasts are becoming a valuable resource for teens, offering a mix of entertainment and education.
Social Media & Information Overload:
Social media’s influence on teens can’t be understated, especially when platforms like TikTok offer a constant stream of curated content. Teens might not realize that what they see is often tailored to reinforce what they already believe—creating echo chambers that make it hard to see different perspectives. Fake news is also a huge problem in the digital age. Misinformation spreads rapidly, and it can be hard for teens to distinguish between credible sources and misleading content. The TikTok search feature, for example, is becoming increasingly popular, but how accurate is the information teens are finding there?

Perspective Shift

Are we missing the mark?

A critical question for us as mentors: Are teens seeking information elsewhere because we aren’t willing to have difficult conversations? It’s important to create spaces where teens feel comfortable discussing challenging topics without fear of judgment. If they don’t get the information they need from us, they’ll turn to other, possibly less reliable, sources.

TL Tips & Takeaways:

Ask Questions:

Encourage teens to share where they get their information and ask them about their thought process. Show interest and create an open dialogue.

Teach Fact-Checking Skills:

Walk them through how to find reliable sources and how to cross-check information. Empower them to be critical thinkers.

Recommend Neutral News Sources:

Direct them to trusted, unbiased news outlets like Associated Press, Reuters, or NPR. These sources provide factual reporting without sensationalism.

 Remember to subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts so you don’t miss out on future episodes. We’d love to hear from you—reach out to us on social media or email us at podcast@teenlife.ngo to submit your questions. Let’s keep the conversation going!
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Karlie Duke (00:08)
Where do teens get most of their information and how can we point them to better resources? Okay, we got a big question today that we’re gonna talk about and mostly because honestly, I think our teenagers would probably get pretty defensive about this one too. But it’s something that we’re seeing a lot of when I was growing up, there were very few source at mostly library or Wikipedia was the big one of like, don’t trust Wikipedia. But now our students have access to so many sources, so many resources that they’re going a lot of different places to find information. And especially if you are a school person trying to make sure that what they’re turning in, what they’re talking about is correct and a good source, but this is a great lesson to teach teenagers too.

So what do all think?

Caleb Hatchett (01:07)
I mean, it’s super interesting. yeah, just how much it’s changed even since like I was in school versus like, when I’m calling y ‘all old, when y’all were in school, you know, but

Tobin (01:16)
Wow. Wow. Wow.

Karlie Duke (01:18)
That’s so rude.

Caleb Hatchett (01:19)
Like, you know, I you know, we had max in class like middle school all the way through high school And so you just have access to more throughout the day I think too like the interesting thing that I’m seeing with a lot of teens is kind of differentiating like opinion from fact just because so much of what that they’re seeing and like Intaking like especially through social media which like I know we’ll kind of get into like what are the sources that teens are getting their info from like Social media is a big one and I think like whenever you’re intaking that much

Karlie Duke (01:33)
Mm -hmm.

Tobin (01:34)
Mm.

Caleb Hatchett (01:49)
info, you can kind of get in the headspace of, okay, what I’m hearing is fact, even though it’s a person’s opinion or just a different side on a story. And so that’s kind where I’m seeing it. But no, I’m super excited to kind of get to dive into this topic and talk about it.

Tobin (02:06)
Yeah. And I think to piggyback on that, I mean, I am old and it’s like, thought I was, don’t know why I was thinking about today, but you know, when I was in middle school and high school, high school as much as definitely middle school, we used to go to the library as a class to quote-unquote research for papers. And that included like using the one computer on campus for internet, you know, or the

Caleb Hatchett (02:28)
Mm.

Tobin (02:34)
Encyclopedias. So if you are a youth listening, encyclopedias is kind of like an online, you know, knowledge, but in a book. so, so yeah, I mean, like, it’s, it’s crazy because like, one that also dictated like how you wrote, cause it’s like, Hey, if I, don’t, mean, like, again, y ‘all don’t remember this because y ‘all didn’t do this, but like, I literally chose papers on like, how much does the encyclopedia talk about this? How can I, know, or how many books are in the library on this? And now you have this wealth of knowledge, which is great, but

Karlie Duke (02:41)
You

Caleb Hatchett (03:02)
Yeah.

Tobin (03:03)
Everything that you did back then was strictly factual or it was very obvious. It was an opinion. Whereas now you just don’t know. Even Wikipedia can be changed by, by strangers. So, it’s just, it’s just kind of crazy how everything’s at the fingertips now, but also there’s a lot of misinformation out there as well, which is crazy.

Karlie Duke (03:24)
Okay, so let’s get into what are some of the top sources for teens. And the first one I wanna submit because we’ve already mentioned it is social media. But I think specifically TikTok.

Tobin (03:35)
Mm

Caleb Hatchett (03:38)
Yeah. TikTok’s crazy. Like with like their search engine and what you’re seeing now, like is on videos. If a topic is talked about, it’ll have a little like magnifying glass.

with a topic that you can like then click on and it’ll tell you what the video is talking about or like things like that that like is crazy. And it’s gotten like better, but like there’s still some flaws, but like that’s wild too. That like, you don’t even necessarily have to go out and search for something. Like it’s just a click of a button away. If you get on one TikTok about a certain subject, you can just click and then find way more info about it.

Karlie Duke (04:14)
Mm

Tobin (04:16)
I got to be honest, there’s many times that I won’t know about like a current event or like something going on. And then I’ll see it on Tik TOK. And it’s like, and then I get on a rabbit hole of like, why is this person on trial? And then it’s like, you know, there’s there and it seems like we kind of like go through these waves of things that we get super like invested in. like, you know, murder cases or, some sort of like, like,

Caleb Hatchett (04:21)
Yeah.

Tobin (04:44)
tensions in certain areas or wherever it may be. And there’s a lot of times like, like there’s things that I would never know about if it wasn’t for social media, putting it in front of me. And, and it’s like across the nation, like, and then it’s not that I shouldn’t, you know, I should put my head in the sand. not that I can’t be, you know, researching and looking at that kind of stuff, but there’s a lot of times that that stuff puts it in front of me on its own. And like, and and I wouldn’t know it about it otherwise, which is just, it is a weird thing to think about.

Caleb Hatchett (04:54)
Yeah.

And even as an adult, it’s fun. Cause you know, if it’s talking about like Riz or the thing that you don’t understand, like they’re using like lingo, it’ll have the search bar. And a lot of times you can click it and it’ll take you to another video of someone explaining what it is. So that’s, I’ve even found it somewhat useful just with that. But I think teens are using it differently than that.

Karlie Duke (05:11)
That’s it.

Well, I just don’t think teens are watching the news. They’re not going to news websites. They don’t have that on their phone. What they’re doing is they’re going to X and seeing news things come across in real time.

Tobin (05:38)
Mmm.

Caleb Hatchett (05:38)
No.

Snapchat has a whole page for that stuff too, yeah.

Karlie Duke (05:48)
Yes, or they’re following different accounts like celebrity accounts or gossip accounts or stuff on Instagram. And that’s how they’re getting their news. When something big happens, they go look for there instead of maybe what adults would consider reputable news sources. But I mean, I do this too. If, if my internet is out, I go to X first and type in is AT &T out of service. Like that’s how I find out where things are happening. And I’m

Caleb Hatchett (06:12)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (06:16)
obviously on the upper older end of that. that’s where our teenagers are looking to or we’re looking at a new car right now. I’m going to TikTok and putting in comparisons. What does that look like? Because I know that’s a short form way for me to get information. And that’s a silly example because that doesn’t necessarily matter as much if it’s true or not. Then if someone’s going and looking at.

Caleb Hatchett (06:32)
Mm

Karlie Duke (06:40)
politics or a big world event that’s happening and they’re listening to someone that has no expertise talk about it on TikTok. But that’s where a lot of our teens are getting their news and getting their sources.

Caleb Hatchett (06:52)
And I think a lot of that is like a microcosm of just kind of the shift of how we intake information now of like how teens into like, you know, like Tobin said, you’re used to like reading, like if a, if a teenager has a question on like a user’s manual of like how to set something up, odds are they’re going to look up a video instead of trying to read through.

the instructions on how to do it just because that’s how information is in taken now. And so like, it’s interesting to like how even across the board on like searching things and information about things, I find that teens would rather have watch a video than read something about it.

Karlie Duke (07:26)
Mm -hmm.

Tobin (07:27)
I gotta be honest. I’m not much different in that area either. So, you know, and I, and I’m 40. So I think, I think it’s a shift in, in also like, you know, you, Carly, you were saying that adults, you know, the below us or the kids below us are not watching the news. I don’t watch the news like, because I don’t think news is the same either. And so in also because the way that information was being presented in the past,

Caleb Hatchett (07:30)
No. Me neither.

Mm -mm.

Tobin (07:55)
has to kind of get with the times or else they’re going to be left behind. I look at newspapers. Like newspapers are essentially gone now. And I, I mean, I, maybe I was an old person when I was 13 and now I’m not an old person, but like, used to read the newspaper every day at school. Like I would like get the sports page and take it with me to school. And like, I can’t tell you the last time I even put my hands on a newspaper and that, and so like some of that too is that’s why you will see like,

Caleb Hatchett (08:10)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Tobin (08:22)
these long time organizations like CNN, MSNBC, Fox news, whatever it may be that they are getting in the game with Snapchat and Apple news and Tik Tok and whatever it may be, because they know that that’s how that’s, they got to come, they got to meet the people where they’re at.

Caleb Hatchett (08:36)
Right.

Karlie Duke (08:37)
When I think two things worth mentioning, you’re talking about newspapers. Now, if someone sends me an article to, I don’t know, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, you get a limit on how many articles you can read before it starts to charge you. And our teens are like, I don’t have time for that. And so some of it is access. And then I think another piece, like for example, my husband is huge into sports. He doesn’t have time to sit around and wait to watch Sports Center at the end of the day to figure out what happened all day.

Caleb Hatchett (08:49)
Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Karlie Duke (09:05)
when he can get on social media or X, think is where he mostly looks at sports and he can know real time what’s happening all the time. Like people, has other friends who will send him stuff days later. He’s like, yeah, I knew about that exactly when it happened because that’s where I get my news. And so in some ways there are positives to that. But I think as we’re gonna keep talking, we’ve got to figure out how can we make sure that they’re checking those sources to make sure they’re right.

Tobin (09:23)
Mm

Well, and another positive thing about that is what teens and with everybody is in those situations, like instead of getting like your blanket news, like, or your blanket MSNBC or blanket ESPN, whatever it may be, you can pay for services. Like I’ll use sports as an example. Like I can subscribe to the athletic, which is an online news source where that gives me anything I want, but it’s a monthly fee, you know, but at least I know that that’s where I’m getting all my information. So like that’s like, can, you can even like.

what’s the word I’m looking for? You can even like, itemize and prioritize what you want instead of getting like the blanket, like I’m going to watch the 10 o ‘clock news and at 10 35 I get sports, you know, that kind of thing.

Karlie Duke (10:10)
Mm -hmm, yeah. Okay, so going into other things, search engines, obviously Google, I think YouTube, similar to social media, but is also used as a search engine if students are looking for tutorials or news or someone to sit and explain a little more long form. That’s where they’re going.

Caleb Hatchett (10:10)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I think too, the interesting thing with search engines right now, especially like with Google, what I’m noticing is like, you’ll search for something, click on the first one. And there’s times I’m like, what, this is a bad source. And you go back and it’s add. So like people can pay to put their link and like, if there’s keyword search, put it at the top. And so like,

Karlie Duke (10:42)
Yeah, it’s a sponsor.

Caleb Hatchett (10:51)
Like it’s just interesting now how you’re kind of having to scroll past the first three to get to the real top hit. And you know, if you’re a student, something like that, I mean, not necessarily saying that those top links are just wrong. They may not be as good or effective as the ones further down. So it’s just interesting.

Karlie Duke (11:08)
Mm -hmm. I think Caleb also brought up before we started recording chat, GPT, and AI is also one. And I know we use this. I mean, sometimes for work, I’ll put in, hey, what are good resources for this topic? And chat GPT will answer that or they’ll ask it a question. They will, I know we’ve mentioned this on the podcast before when we’ve talked about AI, but I know chat GPT.

in particular like says at the bottom, basically fact check. Like we’re not responsible if it’s not true. So you need to fact check everything that we give you. Now, I also think if staying in like the online part, online communities and forums are also where people, where teenagers get stuff. So Reddit, Discord.

Tobin (11:39)
Mm

Caleb Hatchett (11:40)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Karlie Duke (11:57)
depending on what they’re looking for. And then obviously the more in -person touch. So friends and peers is where they’re getting information. They’re getting it from family, they’re getting it from school. Maybe they’re getting it from podcasts, depending on what kind of podcasts they’re listening to. And podcasts are also a great resource, especially if you’re wanting to dive deeper into a topic, to have it on the go, to put it in your ears when you’re doing something else that they can get sources that way.

Tobin (12:11)
Mm

Caleb Hatchett (12:12)
Mm

Karlie Duke (12:26)
I do think, as you can tell, just based on the amount of time that we spend on it, social media is the dominant influence. I mean, that is where most of their information comes from. And we kind of touched on this, but that is curated by algorithms. And so that’s something to keep in mind too, that your teenagers are often in kind of an echo chamber. I think we’re seeing that right now a lot with politics too.

Tobin (12:33)
Yeah, for sure.

Caleb Hatchett (12:33)
Mm

Tobin (12:44)
Mm

Karlie Duke (12:55)
is you tend to see the same opinion over and over and over again based on your algorithm. So you might not be getting both sides of a story like you might from other sources, which can be an issue for our teens.

Tobin (13:07)
for sure.

Caleb Hatchett (13:08)
I think like too, even with like, especially politics, like that’s a lot of their ad campaign marketing right now is just pushing that into like social media and into algorithms and things like that. And so, I mean, like it’s almost inescapable right now. Like,

Karlie Duke (13:19)
Mm -hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (13:25)
your team is, if they’re on social media is in taking some sort of news and information, whether they’re like actively in taking it or not. Like it’s, there on those platforms. And so, you know, and even with that, going back to like what we talked about, like with a TikTok search feature, like we were talking about before, like how a lot of that can be wrong. Like I think

Karlie Duke (13:48)
Mm -hmm.

Caleb Hatchett (13:49)
Carly had a story that I’m sure she’ll tell. then like even along with, you know, social media, like fake news and just, we’ve talked about it before, like fake. I see it a lot in sports. see like a lot of, you know, they’ll take like bar stool or like a certain reputable, like actual news outlet, like for sports. And we’ll change like one letter on it and then be like,

Jalen Hurts ACL out for the year. And you’re like, what? And then you read the comment site. It’s fake. So like, it’s either people like intentionally being fake, just to get like views or clicks or fake, whether they know it or not.

Karlie Duke (14:21)
Yeah.

One AI has made that even more thing. sent, which I knew it was fake when I sent it to him, but I’ve been getting every now and then fake press conferences. I don’t know if y ‘all have seen that where they’re like dub over voices of athletes where they’re like.

Caleb Hatchett (14:41)
Yes.

Tobin (14:42)
Yeah.

Karlie Duke (14:46)
calling people names or saying really funny stuff. And I sent one to Josh and I knew it was fake and he was like, you know that’s not real. But if you’re not paying attention, you might start sending that around and not realizing, hey, this is AI generated. And like Caleb was saying with the TikTok search feature, so a lot of times if you’re on a video, it’ll pop up like a magnifying glass and something to search.

And a lot of times that comes from the comments. That’s not necessarily like fact. what they’re talking about. So I’ve come across a few videos where the poster has kept the name of a celebrity or the name of the restaurant that they’re complaining about anonymous. But the TikTok search feature will put a name in there and everyone was and then everyone assumes that it’s that person when that’s not even true. And so you can go down this rabbit hole. I saw this happen with a restaurant that someone was complaining about a restaurant.

And then I went to that restaurants. like searched it and looked it up. And then I went to their Instagram and they had like made a story about like kind of poking fun at the Tik TOK because they’re like, Hey, that’s not us, but everyone’s assuming that it’s us because of the Tik TOK search feature. So that’s a conversation too, to have with teams like say, Hey, if you are on Tik TOK, do you see the search feature? Do you know what it means? Do you always consider that factor? Do you look into it more?

Tobin (16:08)
Well, and speaking of looking into that, legitimately, I’m asking you guys as adults with real jobs and you know, real lives. If someone tells gives you information, like have y ‘all ever been trained on how to fact check in this, in this like technology age and stuff? Like, do y ‘all even know how to fact check as adults? Cause honestly, like I, I barely do. And it’s only because I had a granddad that was very

Karlie Duke (16:08)
And that’s where, no, it got opened.

Tobin (16:37)
weird about this stuff and kind of taught me how when I was in high school, but like, that’s the thing is like, if we’re not teaching our students, Hey, you can’t believe everything that you’re reading in any topic off of the internet and off of social media and stuff like that. But here’s how you can find that out. Like a lot of people are going to take whatever they see at face value. And so like, and I think that, I mean, I have friends that are in that boat that probably don’t know how to fact check.

Karlie Duke
I think that’s a great question Tobin of do we even know how to fact check? And that’s something, I don’t know if I’m doing it right. I have looked into it before of I’ve even asked questions or like looked up now I’ve Googled it. So who knows how relevant that is. But like when it comes to news, what are the most neutral news sites to start getting information that’s not as biased? Like those are things that I think of. Cause I think you can find one of the problems with this.

One of the problems with this subject in particular is you can find any article that’s gonna back up your point of view. I mean, like it is very easy to go find either side, either extreme, but if you wanna know like more close to the facts, like making sure that you’re looking at reputable sites, and I don’t really wanna answer that for everyone listening here, that’s something I think you need to look into and have a conversation with teenagers, but one question I do wanna pose is: Are teens seeking other sources of information because we aren’t willing to have those conversations with them.

Tobin
I think it depends on the household. You know, there’s some households, like, I mean, it’s not the same thing, but like my grandparents watched a certain news station solely because of the weatherman that was there. like, man, like total sidebar, like people are loyal to their weathermen. And so like, if, the household is a certain way,

I could see it either way. could see it as a, that’s, that’s where they get their news. But I could also see it as, well, you know, especially as a teenager, well, I don’t like what mom and dad thinks. So I’m going to now go the opposite end of the spectrum. And the next thing you know, you have like differing things happening. And so like, I do think that that’s, that plays a huge part in it, or is the household actually having conversations about finding your own, you know, finding correct sources or your own voice in that situation too. But the household plays a huge part of that, in my opinion.

Caleb Hatchett (01:56)
I think too, what I’ve noticed is like students are just not as willing to ask questions, like just in general anymore. I think like a lot of that, especially like in this age is you want to, because you can be so connected, you want to seem educated on a subject and asking a question means, you know, in their mind means I’m not.

And so it’s just this sense of, if I can’t, I feel like I have to educate myself, like my way without letting people know that I have like these questions, because I’ll be looked down upon or viewed as like, you don’t know the answer to that. And so, you know, I think a lot of ways that like, you know, as parents or even as youth leaders is just making a safe space and just even modeling to them, like questions and like, Hey, have you ever thought of this? And, you know, I just know as.

Because I’m a student minister, we’re kind of going through the whole story of the Bible this year and every, every lesson I start out and small group, I start out with, it’s okay to ask questions and it’s okay not to have the answers to those questions. Like it’s fine. Like it’s going to be okay. Like whenever you’re encountering the Bible, whenever you’re encountering the world and faith and navigate, you’re going to have questions. And so just modeling that like it’s okay not to know everything and it’s okay.

Karlie Duke (03:53)
Let’s look it up together.

Tobin
Yeah, the great Ted Lasso said, be curious, not judgmental. I mean, yep, very wise guy.

Yeah, that’s good.

Karlie Duke (04:19)
We love curiosity here. And that is getting into our kind of tips and takeaways for this question and the subject of ask questions. And just like Caleb was saying, ask them in a way that makes them feel safe and not stupid. Cause I think if a teen comes to you and makes some statement that they saw on social media, instead of being like that as a stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, like where did you get that information?

Caleb Hatchett (04:33)
Mm. Yeah.

Karlie Duke (04:45)
Ask it in a way that’s like, really? Can you send me that video? I love to watch it. Hey, have you done more research into this? Find maybe a good rule of thumb is like, find me five sources that back up that claim. Like five more reputable, not just TikTok, like, or three, like go to three different news sites. Sometimes if I see something online, I’ll like actually go and Google it and be like, is this actually happening from multiple sites? Not just one to make sure that I’m not just assuming something and sharing that information. Cause like you’re saying, Caleb, they don’t wanna be wrong. And so let’s teach them how to make sure that they’re confident in the information that they’re putting out. And so that’s kind of the second piece to that is talk through practical places to get reliable information, teach them how to fact check, give them neutral news sources. Someone I did look it up, Associated Press, Reuters, NPR are typically considered more neutral.

Tobin
You got, you got to find stuff that’s not like usually opinion related it and more factual, like, like, is, which AP is a good and Routers are a good example of that of they’re presenting a story and the facts of the story and not an op ed from someone on their team, like, like other resources do. Yeah.

Caleb Hatchett
And also like encourage teens, like read, read both sides, you know, like yes, find a neutral one, but like, if there are opinion pieces, read both sides of the opinion and just kind of, you know, just get as much info and as many sides as you can just to kind of help expand and do like,

Yeah, I think it’s just how you approach it and just making them feel safe and not just immediately like what and feeling like attacking and being like, because then it turns into an argument. doesn’t need to be an argument and just making sure that they realized they’re on the same team. And two, like, it’s just even with funny things, I know a while back, like was going around that Helen Keller didn’t exist. Right. Like, yes. Like, and like, that’s just a microcosm of everything. Yeah.

Tobin
We talked about this on the podcast. That she wasn’t actually blind and deaf. Yeah.

Caleb Hatchett (07:00)
of like, there’s no like, it’s to the point of like teenagers and everything, it’s them processing and like, going through the curiosity of like, there’s no way. It just to kind of not laugh it off immediately and just be like, well, okay, let’s look into Helen Keller’s story because that does sound crazy. I mean,

Tobin
Karlie’s still not convinced.

Karlie Duke
Mm

Well, I don’t know. I’m just saying there are some convincing TikToks out there that make me ask questions. But I think that’s great. I think this is the perfect opportunity to have conversation with your students. And you would rather teach them and model for them now how to do this well so that when they leave, when they graduate, when they are out of your class, that they feel equipped to do this on their own. And this is a skill that they’re going to take with them on and on and on.

And so have a great conversation with the teen today about where they’re getting their sources and what that looks like. We have more exciting episodes coming up in this season of the Teen Life podcast, so make sure that you’re subscribed on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. And once again, we want your questions. So reach out on social media or email us at podcast@teenlife.ngo to submit your question and we’ll see you next week.

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How to Ensure a Safe Halloween with Teens: Tips for Parents

How to Ensure a Safe Halloween with Teens: Tips for Parents

Planning and open communication make for a great Halloween night.

Halloween is an exciting time for teenagers.

It offers a chance to hang out with friends, dress up, and experience a night filled with spooky fun. However, as a parent, you also want to ensure your teen stays safe while enjoying the festivities. With some planning and open communication, you can help them have a memorable yet safe Halloween. Here are some essential tips to keep in mind.

1. Set Clear Boundaries on Curfew and Location

For many teens, Halloween is their chance to gain some independence. They may want to attend parties, trick-or-treat with friends, or roam through haunted houses in the neighborhood. Setting clear expectations about their curfew is vital. Agree on a specific time they need to be home and make sure they know to check in with you if they change locations or plans. Use location-sharing apps if necessary, so you know where they are, but be careful not to be overbearing.

Discuss the routes they plan to take if trick-or-treating and remind them to stick to well-lit, familiar areas. Encourage them to avoid shortcuts through alleys, abandoned areas, or parks that may pose a safety risk.

2. Talk About Safety in Numbers

Teens often want to venture out without supervision on Halloween, but they shouldn’t go it alone. Encourage them to stick with a group of friends, which is much safer than going solo. Groups are more visible to cars, and there’s safety in numbers when it comes to potential dangers such as getting lost or encountering individuals with bad intentions.

3. Costume Safety

While choosing a fun Halloween costume is one of the highlights of the holiday, it’s important to consider safety. Advise your teen to avoid costumes that restrict their vision or ability to move freely. Masks can obstruct their peripheral vision, so makeup is often a better alternative for face covering.

If your teen will be out trick-or-treating or walking around at night, make sure their costume is easily visible to drivers. You can add reflective tape to dark costumes or provide them with a flashlight or glow stick to carry. This ensures they are seen and can avoid accidents when crossing streets.

4. Discuss Responsible Behavior

Halloween can be a night of mischief, but it’s crucial to set boundaries on acceptable behavior. While some teens may think it’s all in good fun to engage in pranks or vandalism, these activities can lead to trouble. Have an open conversation with your teen about the consequences of illegal or inappropriate behavior, like trespassing or damaging property. Encourage them to be respectful of other people’s property and Halloween decorations.

5. Be Aware of Parties and Substance Use

As teens get older, Halloween parties become a common part of the celebration. It’s important to be aware of where they plan to go and whether the party will be supervised by adults. Encourage them to attend parties hosted by trusted friends or organized events with proper oversight. This is also a good time to remind your teen about the dangers of alcohol and drugs, which may be more prevalent at unsupervised parties. Make sure they know they can call you if they find themselves in an uncomfortable situation and need a safe way home, no questions asked.

6. Phone Use and Emergency Plans

Ensure your teen has a fully charged phone before heading out. Encourage them to check in periodically and respond promptly if you reach out to them. In case of emergency, discuss backup plans like safe locations where they can go or friends’ houses they can rely on. It’s also smart to review basic safety practices with your teen, such as how to identify safe adults (police officers or neighborhood families) and what to do if they feel threatened or uncomfortable.
Halloween is a great opportunity for teens to have fun and socialize, but it also comes with its share of risks. By setting clear expectations, ensuring they stay in groups, and discussing safety practices, you can help your teen have a spooky yet safe Halloween. Open communication, mutual trust, and preparation go a long way in ensuring that both parents and teens can enjoy the holiday without unnecessary worry.
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